After a preview screening of Episode 4 of The Call of England, I sat down with David Goodhart — author of The Road to Somewhere and The British Dream — and Harrison Pitt , senior fellow at Restore Britain and contributor to The European Conservative, for a thirty minute discussion on what the film raised.
Three generations in the room: a Boomer, a Millennial, and a member of Gen Z. Three different assessments of what England has become and what recovery might require.
This conversation covers:
Whether England’s governing class has lost the concept of Somewhere entirely
The anywhere/somewhere distinction — and Harrison Pitt’s challenge that it misses the asymmetric animus directed specifically at white majority Western nations
Whether Englishness is ethnic, civic, or both and why the answer matters more than it appears
The Rishi Sunak question: can someone be culturally English without being ethnically English and what happens to the yardstick when the ethnic core thins?
Whether Christianity is part of the solution to England’s civilisational crisis or part of the problem
What demographic security would actually require — and whether it is achievable
Find David Goodhart’s work:
- The Road to Somewhere: https://amzn.to/4dxVILh
- The British Dream: https://amzn.to/4ndzW3N
Find Harrison Pitt’s work:
- Restore Britain: restorebritain.co.uk
- The European Conservative: theeuropeanconservative.com
About Thinking Class: Thinking Class is a long-form interview podcast exploring the cultural, historical, and moral forces shaping England, Britain, and the wider Western world. Hosted by John Gillam, the show features serious conversations with thinkers, historians, and commentators grappling honestly with the condition of our civilisation.
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